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The UNMADE Versions of Catwoman (Countdown To The Batman)

Updated: Feb 18, 2022

Before you see Zoe Kravitz’s Catwoman in The Batman, learn about the unmade versions of Catwoman: the Catwoman who killed the Graysons, the serial killer Catwoman of Sam Hamm’s unmade Batman 2, the dominatrix Selina from the unmade Batman Year One, and the different actresses who almost played the role, along with the truth about those Carla Gugino/Catwoman reports in the Snyderverse.


0:00 Fan Audio Introduction (David as the Bale Batman)

Big thanks to David for submitting this audio

0:48 Episode Introduction

This is actually the second character-specific coverage of unmade material. The first was on The Penguin in December to celebrate Batman Returns:

2:39 The Burton-Hickson Treatment: Catwoman Killed The Graysons?!

We discussed a little more of the Burton-Hickson treatment in our episode here:

Here's Julie Hickson and Tim Burton's Batman treatment dated October 21, 1985 (available if you have a Scribd subscription).

3:46 Steve Englehart's Treatment: Catwoman's Cameo

We covered Steve Englehart's treatment in this episode here:

7:22 Bob Kane's The Return of Batman Treatment: The 10+ Catwoman

We covered this infamous treatment in the above episode.

This script treatment is included in every copy of Batman: The Definitive History of The Dark Knight in Comics, Film, and Beyond by Andrew Farago and Gina McIntyre, which you can purchase here. We also interviewed Andrew Farago on our podcast shortly after our dive into the Kane treatment.

13:01 Sam Hamm's Batman 2: The Serial Killer Catwoman

We covered both Sam Hamm's Batman 2 script and Daniel Waters's original Batman Returns draft in the above episode.

You can read Sam Hamm's Batman 2 script here:

Here is Logan Wood's art of the armory confrontation:

23:23 The Almost Catwomen of Batman Returns

This article detailed how Michelle Pfeiffer replaced Annette Bening as Catwoman for the film:

We took a look at the original Catwoman cowls for Bening in our episode here:

36:46 Batman Returns: Deleted Scenes of Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman

You can check out Daniel Waters's original Batman 2 script here:

As well as the Batman Returns shooting script with revisions by Wesley Strick:

43:02 The Alternate Batman Returns Ending & The Unused Animatronic Catwoman!

The behind the scenes pictures of the animatronic Catwoman come from here:

And the quote from Larry Franco comes from here:

46:36 Break

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48:34 The Unmade Catwoman Spin-Off with Ann Margret? We covered the unmade Catwoman film that was written by Daniel Waters and to be directed by Tim Burton (and starring MIchelle Pfeiffer) here:

You can check out the script here:

The tweet from Walter Chow, describing the project as a Western and the addition of Ann Margret comes from here:

51:23 Batman Unchained: The Catwoman Cameo

We covered the Batman Unchained project in this video essay:

As well as the beginning of this episode on Batman 5.

53:45 The OTHER Unmade Catwoman Spin-Off by John August

John August discussed details of his unmade Catwoman movie here:

Our Patreon that covered the project can be heard here for those on the $5 tier:

58:46 The Batman Musical From Jim Steinman

We covered the unmade Batman Musical here:

The 1990 song "More" can be heard here:

For comparison, here's Catwoman's Song from the musical that uses the same chorus:

You can check out more of the songs from our episode (and that musical) from this playlist:

1:03:32 The Unmade Batman: Year One Version of Catwoman

You can check out our episode on the Darren Aronofsky Batman Year One project here:

1:07:44 Bruce Wayne Pilot

1:09:00 Batman Beyond: Return of Catwoman?

Bruce Timm's quote about Catwoman being the villain in the unmade Batman Beyond animated movie came from here:

1:10:04 The Almost Catwomen of Catwoman (2004)

Ashley Judd's quote about Catwoman came from this article:

The Nicole Kidman rumors came from this article:

1:11:27 The Almost Catwomen of The Dark Knight Rises

We covered The Dark Knight RIses Catwoman in the above episode.

The list of actresses up for the part comes from here:

1:12:25 Catwoman Concept Art in The Dark Knight Rises

You can check out more concept art of Catwoman here as we only included images of her in the full costume and not Selina Kyle nor the goggles concepts:

1:18:48 The Snyderverse and The Carla Gugino Rumor That Got Out of Hand

We previously covered the Carla Gugino Catwoman reports in this episode.

It’s been widely (mis)reported that Zack Snyder had “cast” Carla Gugino as Catwoman, but in reality, it was Zack agreeing with a fan idea presented in a podcast with the Nerd Queens. Here is the direct quote of Snyder reacting to one of the co-host’s ideas of bringing in Carla Gugino as Selina Kyle:

"Probably I would say Carla's Catwoman [is perfect]. You would have to say, there's a flashback to ten years ago, where they were a thing. And then he had to arrest her, I don't know what happened, or he had to let her go, and it tweaked him. And now, who knows what she's doing now, she's running some sort of international antiquities or something, and he needs to retire, and they find each other. Yeah, I do think Carla is --- yeah, she is good."

The later quote from Snyder about being misquoted by bloggers comes from here:

“...I need to look at those words I said about Selina Kyle because I'm not 100% sure if that's correct or not. ...I've heard someone say that to me before, and I'm like 'Man, maybe I just misspoke or I was misinterpreted,' but that doesn't fit correctly in what I... If I did, I apologize because I don't think Bruce and Selina were married.”

1:20:45 Zoe Kravitz's Dark Knight Rises Miss

Zoe Kravitz's negative experience being up for The Dark Knight Rises comes from this article:

“In the last Batman movie [The Dark Knight Rises], they told me that I couldn't get an audition for a small role they were casting because they weren't 'going urban.’ It was like, 'What does that have to do with anything?”

1:23:08 The Almost Catwomen of The Batman

The list of other Catwoman candidates comes from here:

1:24:57 Favorite Unmade Catwoman?

1:29:19 The Joker's Fireside Chat

1:34:13 Closing: Fan Shoutouts and Social Media Promotion

Big thanks to our research assistant Dan for providing the visuals, as well as the QC and the chapter time codes, for this episode.

And big thanks to Logan Wood for the art of Catwoman fighting Michael Keaton's Batman from the unmade Batman 2 script by Sam Hamm. You can check out his art at:

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